Back Log
by Daddybob
I theorize that a
lifetime of over-prescription of antibiotics caused
an extreme overgrowth of various fungi in my body, along with
antibiotic-resistant bacteria and possibly nanobacteria, coupled with
many injuries** and weather exposure in the construction trade, all of
which led to a near total physical meltdown by age 45 (4 years ago). I
know I harbored a wicked strain of bacteria in my sinuses that were
sooner or later going to kill me after all the antibiotics failed. I
was getting real close.
I have beaten back every single ailment (lots!) save 3 since then with
the alternative therapies I mentioned earlier.
Now as to my reasons for taking M-state:
The three conditions that remain, in order of severity are:
I am presently taking an M-state preparation from a producer member of
this list in the hopes of repairing some or all of this damage. As
regards condition 1, something is happening, something is most
definitely happening, and appears to be good. As regards #2, something
just might be happening, not real sure yet. As regards #3, nothing yet,
but I swear I think I heard the HU one morning recently.
All of my experiments and experiences with alternatives have brought
about unexpected pleasant benefits, usually not at all what I had in
mind, but sometimes with some pain of healing crisis. The healing
crisis part is what causes me to say that something is definitely
happening with #1, because I've had some initially painful movement in
an unexpected place in my spine, but that has now settled down.
Something sort of like what Hank reported. There has been other
movement that was quite pleasant and surprising. This has all happened
in the past 6-8 weeks since I started taking the preparation.
There have been two really big and pleasant surprises. The first is the
return of mental FOCUS, will, direction and drive. It's like when I was
30-40; lead, follow, or get out of my way. I was quite a force on a job
in those days. This is like having all of that again, except now with
the restraint of maturity (hmm... wonder what my Bride will say about
that).
The second thing was what happened to my lungs. I smoked for 18 years,
age 16-34; I worked in commercial built-up roofing for many years and
breathed an enormous amount of smoke. When I quit smoking ('89) I never
had that six-months-later-clearing-of-the-bronchial-tubes-effect that
you're supposed to get. After a few days on this preparation, I began
to feel as if I had taken a bronchial-dilator such as ephedrine or
MaHuang. It's an opening of the bronchial tubes that makes you breathe
more easily, and it feels cool down into your lungs. Over the course of
many days, a few weeks even, this cool feeling kept migrating higher in
my lungs, then to my throat. By this time I was beginning to clear my
throat often, but there never was any phlegm. That throat clearing
abated after several days.
The cool feeling rose up into the back of my throat, then into my
mouth and nasal passages, finally out to my nose and the front of my
tongue and inside my lips. It has now left my nose, throat and lungs,
but lingers at the front of my mouth, slowly ebbing now for many days.
A couple of years ago I was injured and had numerous X-rays, MRI’s, an
arteriogram, and a myelogram. I do not have anything wrong whatsoever
showing in my lungs, so I know it wasn’t cancer leaving me. Instead, I
suspect it had to do with restoring the bronchial cilia to a properly
performing state.
Lastly, shortly after starting this, I had two very clear and
lucid dreams that will stick with me for life, because they both showed
me something about the direction of my life.
I almost forgot. Something else surprising and unexpected happened from
using the M-state preparation.
Background: Nearly two years ago a particularly acute ailment eruption
led me to begin experimenting with Beck Blood Electrification. I use
the term experiment loosely. In the beginning it was just total
desperate blind bumbling. I did everything wrong. I was trying to kill
off a severe case of Lichen Planus on my legs. For brevity's sake, I'm
leaving out a lot here. I finally got a handle on both the therapy and
the disease, but not before I had killed large patches of leg hair
follicles with my bumbling misuse of the therapy.
So I walked around all last summer showing big bald spots on my legs.
This past winter, my jeans sometimes chafed those spots.
Starting just a very few weeks ago, I've got hair growing in, thick
enough so that I will soon be unable to tell where the bald spots were.
All for now,
Daddybob
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:56:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: daddybob
Subject: More Healing #1
7-8-03
This is an addendum to my results which have been posted on Barry's
site. Barry has my permission to post this there.
Anyone reading this on Barry's site can click on "Daddybob" at the top
and get my Yahoo! email to ask me questions. I have intentionally left
off the name of the product and producer of it on this post for legal
reasons. Email me privately and I'll tell you who & what it is.
Background: My lumbar area which has caused me terrific pain for many
years, has always had to be "stretched" back into place, sometimes 3-4
times a day. I have done this for many years by laying on the bed, a
table, or in the back of a pickup truck on my back, hanging my knees at
the edge, sometimes swinging my lower legs forcefully, until my lumbar
or pelvis would go back in place.
Sometimes this has been a very stress-relieving exercise, other times
it has been an exercise in screaming terror. Sometimes the movement is
sublime, sometimes it is traumatic. Sometimes a mild squishy feeling,
sometimes a jarring jolt. No Doctor I have ever seen, Chiropractor,
Ortho-Surgeon, or Neuro-Surgeon, has been able to figure out exactly
what was going on. All I know is that it kept me walking and
functioning.
A few weeks after beginning to take the M-state product, I bent over
fast at work one day and "pulled" my back, like a thousand times
before, but this time it was different. This time the injury was in a
new place, at least one joint, maybe two, above the usual place. After
that, when I would do my "exercise" described above, the "stretching"
that would occur was at this new place, with little movement at the old
location. It was quite a different sensation, but I put up with it and
forged on.
Now I'm nearly finished with my second bottle of product, having taken
it over the course of about 3 months.
For the past two weeks I've tried to "stretch" my lumbar in the
time-tested manner, but there is no jolting, jarring movement. There is
also no pain of compression with which I've become so familiar- that
subliminal pain that would tell me to get somewhere quick and stretch
my back before I had to be carried around again on a sure-enough
stretcher (it has happened!).
The next result refers to another exercise I've done for years- a deep
bend-over from the waist to cause my thoracic area to loosen up,
accompanied often by several jarring pops in my spine. This traumatic
popping has now turned into a much softer more fluid movement. I've had
to do this for years to unlock my thoracic area so I could breathe
freely. This is from falling about 10'-12' over a railroad track when I
was 18.
When I turn over in bed at night, or if I'm laying down and get up, I
often now have a nice soft fluid-feeling movement of my spine from
shoulders to pelvis. It feels absolutely wonderful.
My neck is "snapping" less. I will post more when I have more results
there.
That brings up the last subject. Notice that I said "when I have more
results". I remarked to my wife last night that all of this is really
quite nearly miraculous, yet I have experienced so much healing in the
last 4 years that I have come to expect it, and don't feel at all
surprised anymore when something good happens. I think for some reason
it is important that I say that here and now. I have often read- in
connection with "ormus", that it is important to believe something good
will happen. Funny, I never really was one to think that way, but now
it's as if I always did.
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:22:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: daddybob
Subject: reply to several people
7/17/2003
This is a reply to all the folks who've been emailing me for
information on the M-state product I'm taking and the results I'm
getting.
OK everybody I'm back. I've been really busy, and I decided to wait
until the private emails slowed down asking for details. About those
private emails: I put that on Barry Carter’s website, along with only
my e-handle, not my real identity, so that he couldn't be attacked by
any government agency for posting testimonials; also, to shield my
supplier from the same possible scrutiny.
Another reason I waited so long, about a week now, is to make
absolutely sure that this benefit is still holding out, and yes, it is!
In the past week, since I posted on several forums, I have deliberately
done things that I knew to be tough on me in order to see if my
lumbar/pelvis would succumb to that same old compression, pain, then
decompression of my “exercise” as I described it.
You be the judge:
During the entirety of what I'm about to describe here, I have still
stopped and stretched myself with my knees off the edge of the bed at
least twice a day to see if my back or pelvis would move, and if I felt
any decompression take place. It hasn't happened.
At my work, I'm forever climbing ladders and stairs. In addition to my
work, I ride a bike quite often. I just bought a Needak rebounder, and
have bounced on it quite a bit recently. That’s what started this
scrutiny of my results. I had been considering a rebounder purchase for
months, but was afraid it would hurt my back. More about that later.
With all the rest of my busy life this week, I took two long trips,
solo. Driving is what had gotten to be the one of the worst things I
could do. I drove 320 miles round trip Sunday in an old Honda Accord,
to examine and bring home some volcanic rock from a place that few
people know about in central NC. Volcanic deposits are supposedly rich
in these elements. When there, I hiked in about a half mile, down to a
riverbank, clambered all over those rocks for about an hour, then
packed out about 50 pounds in a backpack, then drove home.
Tuesday I drove 462 miles round trip in my ¾ ton Ford Van. I
went to get a magnetic water trap and several barrels to test my well
water for these elements. Wednesday I drove that van about 100 miles
round trip for business supplies.
Wednesday night (last night), just before bed I tried a new exercise on
my rebounder. Three months ago, there is NO WAY that I could have
done what I'm now going to describe. I sat down on the rebounder,
picked up my feet off the floor, reclined my torso to balance my legs,
then held out a 3 pound set of Dumbbells, straight out to my
side, and curled my arms up and down slightly to make my butt
bounce a bit on the rebounder. Let me tell you this works your entire
body real fast, really tightening your abs, and puts tremendous
pressure on your low back.
It never hurt a bit and was extremely invigorating. My back did not
compress. There was no back pain at all. There certainly was plenty of
muscle “burn” from that exercise.
This morning I'm up and at ‘em, just like always, but pain free. This
is great.
OK- I got my stuff from Don Nance of www.oceanalchemy.com. Don is
moving and is out of production for a while, but thinks he can still
supply new orders from stock for about 2 weeks. You have to order from
his website. You can't reach him now, and won't be able to for at least
2 weeks, maybe more. My suggestion is to order his “Elixir of Life”
first.
Take it first thing upon waking. Start out with only a half-eyedropper
full, for maybe a few days, then work up to perhaps 2-3 dropperfuls
once or twice a day, a few hours after eating, and at least 30 minutes
before eating. Then move up to the “White Dove”, which is much
stronger, and does the real healing.
Do not rush this process, and do expect side effects. Read what I
experienced again on Barry’s site. As with many other alternatives, you
could get kidney pain from pathogen die-off. Stop taking anything when
that happens and drink plenty of non-chlorinated water. You should only
be drinking non-chlorinated, non-flouridated water anyway. NEVER ignore
kidney pain, and let it be your guide to use and dosage. Lastly, take
little or no MSM, or any sulfate supplement while doing this. Sulfur is
thought to negate the M-state elements. I have taken a very small
amount once while doing this. I found that while taking M-state, the
action of MSM, when needed to relieve sore muscles, was MUCH faster,
with MUCH less needed.
I feel assured my quick results came because I had gotten my body so
disease free before I started this. I am sure that others will NOT get
the kind of quick results I got without some complications and healing
crises that must take place first. After all, it went after my lungs
and bronchial tubes first, healing something that I had no idea was a
problem.
Now back to that rebounder: First, I still am awaiting more healing, in
my neck especially. I still have crepitation in my neck, and it still
needs strengthening. I overdid the vertical bouncing on the rebounder a
few days ago, thinking I was capable, when I'm clearly not, because it
hurt my neck. I'm having very positive results, yes, but there is still
more to do.
Here is a link to other suppliers:
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/faq.htm#2
Daddybob
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:21:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: fingernails
One of many former maladies was a dead split in my right index
fingernail, from so much fungus, I suppose. It became a real sore spot
for me, since I'm right handed and work in construction. A split into
the "quick" is no fun at all, especially when it doesn't heal. I would
have to trim the nail way back, and cover it with a Band-Aid, keeping
it trimmed and protected, until the split grew out. Any little snag
would start the whole thing over again.
This got better several months ago when I found out that I am a near
extreme protein eater, and changed my diet accordingly, but I still had
to be careful with that nail.
Since taking the "White Dove", my nails have grown so fast I can
scarcely find time to trim them. They have become much stronger. A
couple of days ago I had let them grow out too much and I snagged that
nail on something. It turned backwards enough to leave a crease mark in
it, but it did NOT split!
Daddybob
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:51:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: daddybob
Subject: update on my back
8/22/2003
From Daddybob, Update on my back (Barry- this is for posting on the
site)
I've had so many requests for information that I must write up this
synopsis and pass it on. If you read this on Barry’s site, some of it
may be redundant.
In the past 2 months I have literally tried to hurt my back. OK well, I
didn't do anything too stupid, but- I really have pushed myself and
done things that I have not been capable of for years. More later,
first….
In the past four years- since the beginning of my miracle in July of
’99- I have had several short instances of strength and endurance that
gave me great hope. But every time I did something that remarkably
improved my health and energy, I would use up all that energy trying to
catch up on life. Always, my back would eventually fail me. By early
this year, I was convinced that I had killed off everything that was
ailing me. Only my back- in its damaged condition- was holding me back.
I had so much energy that I was constantly overdoing things and hurting
my back.
For the record I have had a diagnosis of Degenerative Disk Disease and
Ankylosing Spondylitis, ruptured disks and near critical cervical
stenosis at C3-C4 & C4-C5, ruptured disks and stenosis at L4-L5,
and as my neurosurgeon put it, “everything below there is pretty
rotten”.
My neurosurgeon was bug-eyed at my lack of pain and range of motion. At
the time I was controlling it all with MSM, Glucosamine Sulfate,
Cetyl Myristoleate and LOTS of water (I am not now taking MSM or GS,
still take a little CM and drink lots of water).
He was a good honest thoughtful man. He did not argue with me or try to
intimidate me. He suggested no surgery for my low back since it was far
past a simple disk trimming. He described Lumbar Diskectomy as a
“Hog-Killin’”, (a graphic description that many rural people over the
age of 40 know something about) and told me it would put me out of work
for 3-6 months. He was much more concerned over my neck, despite the
fact that it is much less painful to me than my lumbar. He warned-
gently yet firmly- that I was in danger of partial or total paralysis
or death from a fall or mild auto accident. This got my attention
because I'm a roofing contractor and I drive a lot.
He suggested a double cervical diskectomy & fusion, and described
my loss of neck movement as being 7-1/2% per disk, total of 15%.
I had a friend who had lumbar stenosis surgery, but I don't think he
had an actual diskectomy and fusion. I've always heard never let anyone
but a neurosurgeon near your spine, never an ortho-surgeon. I don't
know if all that’s so or not, but my friend went with an ortho-surgeon.
His life was hell for six months after that surgery, then one day
he fell, paralyzed, in his home alone, couldn't get to the phone, and
it was 2 days before someone checked on him. By that time he had lost
some circulation and had infections. He died a few weeks later. Lumbar
surgery for me? Thanks, but no thanks.
Another friend had cervical diskectomy and told me the loss of motion
was more realistically like 15% per disk. I spent several days driving
around limiting my neck motion in many different traffic situations. I
came to the conclusion that the law of “risk homeostasis” would
prevail, and that I would be just as likely to be severely injured or
killed in a car crash because I couldn't turn my neck to see what was
coming. I've seen people pull out in front of me when I could recognize
the signs of a stiff neck. As we say down here- “He ain't seen me
YET!” There is also a very tragic instance in our family of just such a
traffic fatality. Cervical Diskectomy for me? Thanks, but no thanks.
In addition, I have known many people and family members who have had
various spinal surgeries. For only a very few, it was worth it. For the
most part, the rest have tales of woe that range from continued pain
and more surgeries, to paralysis and death.
I've had enough pain, screaming and bleeding to last the rest of my
life. I ain't a-goin’ outta here thataway.
Back to the present: I won't try to describe every little detail of the
last 2 months. After all this is all anecdotal and subjective anyway
isn't it? If someone wishes not to believe it, all my description will
be for naught. Suffice it to say that I have pushed myself to the point
of exhaustion several times in the past 2 months, especially in the
past 5 weeks, and my back has not crapped out on me. Its big things
like driving hundreds of miles at a time, and little things like
loading Barry Carter’s TV into the back of Dana Dudley’s car, that have
just thrilled me to be able to do. Like I said earlier though, I
haven't done anything too stupid, unless riding a wave runner around
Lake Norman for more than an hour counts for stupid. That’s the first
time in my life I've been able to do that for more than 20 minutes.
It’s the first I ever actually enjoyed it. There was no compressing
pain in the lumbar from all the bouncing.
I've been told by three people during or after the Dunn meeting that I
“look happy”, that my “spirit shines”, and that I “glow”. Aw shucks,
now I'm gonna get all flustered. I don't know what others see; all I
see in the mirror is a short red faced blonde headed fat guy. But I am
happy!
Now to try to answer everyone’s questions about what I'm doing.
First- I'm completely convinced that I killed my Degenerative Disk
Disease before my ormus experience. I did it accidentally and
purposefully with Iodine and Beck-type Blood Electrification. It was a
very rough and lengthy process. I don't know that I recommend it now in
light of my ormus experience. I wonder if taking some of these
preparations would do the same thing in a milder way. I just plain
don't know. What I do know is you must be prepared for a healing crisis
first, no matter how you accomplish it.
I assume that if one were to start down this path without having killed
the disease first, then it may take longer to get the results I have
gotten. PATIENCE is very much in order.
I am taking “The White Dove”. Once again, I will only reveal the name
of the maker in response to individual emails on the site. Click on
Daddybob above for that. I started off with a 50/50 blend of “Elixir of
Life” (EoL) and “The White Dove” (WD), because WD by itself would have
been a bit strong.
If you are in great pain, it may be even better to start off with
“C-11” first to ease into this, then move up to EoL, then to WD.
We are talking only eyedropperfuls of this stuff folks. If you take too
much too soon you may have insomnia, bothersome dreams, and harsh
healing crises. I was warned of this and I listened and learned. I have
over-indulged a bit a few times and I can attest. I was also told that
you will begin to intuitively know how much to take after a couple of
weeks, and I can attest to that as well.
I intend to start taking C-11 and ormus copper. I have just gotten
information that I should take copper 5 days a week, and zinc on the
weekends. I'll post again here when results are worth mentioning.
In the meantime- my neck seems to keep loosening, slowly to be sure.
About my Tinnitus- I've been holding back saying anything; I still have
it most of the time, but I think it’s less intense.
DB
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:49:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: daddybob
Subject: Back update- just a twitch
Barry- I'd like you to append this to my last update, please.
Some emails I've received make me wonder if people think I'm growing a
new spine. I'm concerned that some may get the impression that I have
no lumbar problems at all anymore. Such is not the case, but I haven't
felt it worth mentioning until now.
I do use up all my energy, everyday. I go to bed tired, and usually
sleep like a rock. This makes for a stiff back the next morning. In the
past, there were two things I did to limber up. One is an exercise you
can see at http://www.health2us.com/back.htm That's probably the best
back exercise I've ever seen that doesn't require equipment. The other
thing was to get on my stairstepper. I found a fantastic deal a few
years ago on a military surplus stairmaster- the kind with endless loop
stairs. Before that, I used a cheapo like you see in Walmart. They work
just as well for the back, but not for the knees. Now I do a mild
bounce every morning on a Needak Rebounder. It seems to do as much for
me, maybe more, as the stairstepper. It also seems to help my neck.
Now to the real reason for this post: For several years, there would be
times when I might be doing OK, I would be bebopping along, do just the
slightest wrong little turn or bend while walking, and have a searing
stabbing nerve pain that originated in my lumbar and would shoot
through my entire body. Many times I gasped or even hollered out loud;
My legs would go weak and my knees would start to buckle. I would have
to steady myself on the nearest thing I could find. This entire episode
might last all of 3 seconds. It scared the living
whatever-you-want-to-insert-here out of me. I knew what the end of this
was going to be if I couldn't find something to help it.
I had developed quite a kow-tow routine about how to approach any task
without causing myself grief: Bend always at the knees, never bend or
twist the back, never extend arms outwards to handle a load, keep all
carried loads close to the stomach or chest. As I have improved, my
routine has gotten slack. A few times I have pushed myself hard, then
done little things that caused a nerve pinch and gave me pause. Little
things like standing at the sink and leaning over sideways to load the
dishwasher (Why yes, I am Mr. Mom, at least sometimes!).
The difference is no gasps, no screams, no blinding pain, no terror, no
buckling knees; just a twitch and the knowledge that there still is a
problem that I need to be careful about.
Daddybob
11/5/2003
I’ve subtitled this “The Measure of My Success”, which will be revealed
at the end.
The first part of this update was drafted 9/5/03, but I felt it was
premature to post. Now I know it was. Other things have happened since,
and it’s now time to post. Here it is in chronological order.
9/5/2003
WD: White Dove; EoL: Elixir of Life
I had earlier in my log mentioned how these preparations had given me
my drive back. In recent weeks I had noticed that diminishing. I just
assumed something had “worn off”.
As I kept studying, I realized that I was only taking WD, which is
primarily three elements. I figured I need the other 8 for more
results. Initially, the formula I took was 50/50 Eol & WD, so
I began to look at C-11 & EoL. If I understand it correctly, EoL is
a refinement of C-11. I had EoL for my wife to take, and I began to
take some of hers, in addition to my WD.
Well, all my drive returned! I found myself once again not
dreading mundane tasks. For example, you simply must clean up to
improve the efficiency of your physical life and make room for more
exploration of new things. Our kids are trickling out to College, with
the last one now in High School, and there is a mountain of cleaning to
be done behind them. I found myself no longer dreading it and able to
dive in.
Another thing happened. I had mentioned dreams before. They had
trickled off, at least the remembering of them had subsided. You must
be in a twilight state between deep sleep and wakening to remember a
dream. I was sleeping hard. After starting back on the EoL, I began to
sleep hard for 4-6 hours, then be in twilight for the remaining 2 hours
or so, remembering all kinds of little dreams.
Most dreams don’t mean too much. Most of them are merely the mind
sorting out and filing away the events of everyday life. OK, sure, they
mean something, but most of it is not worth getting excited over. I
would just as soon sleep harder, but somehow remembering these little
dreams, while bothersome in the wee hours, is nevertheless comforting.
Despite not being in deep sleep, I still arise rested for the most part.
Now to my back, the primary subject of this log. I don’t think
I’ve mentioned too much about any specific pain other than to say
there is stiffness in the morning. To be more specific, that
stiffness has been on the right side of my sacroiliac area. This is
very different from the past 22 years, where the majority of pain was
on my left side. (22 years: I had my first real “back attack” when I
was 27, now I’m 49)
This right side stiffness and mild pain, I have been taking as a sign
that my spine was moving, and muscles were adjusting to new positions
and possibly more normal stresses. I have been aware that it was slowly
getting better. At first it would take sometimes an hour to get
“limbered up”. Recently it had gotten down to 5 minutes on my rebounder
to do it, doing a very light “health bounce”.
Something happened yesterday (9-4-03). I went to ride my bike and run
the dog, later than usual, getting dark, so I did it fast and hard.
When I finished I felt a tightness, but not pain, in those right side
low back muscles. Then it hit me- that particular morning pain and
stiffness- in my right low back- had not occurred for several days. It
had left me so gradually that I had not even noticed its passing; I had
been too busy with life to notice it! This is not to say that all
morning grogginess and stiffness was gone- just that particular bit.
See my comments later about using the Crock Device.
My neck- still getting better it seems. A new pillow- one of those with
a roll on one edge to support the neck, has begun putting my neck in a
very mild traction when I sleep. After the first night it felt a bit
weird, but after the third it began to feel really good. This pillow is
a cheapie, but it helps. I usually can only sleep on expensive foam
rubber pillows, cannot sleep on polyester fiber filled pillows. I slept
on it for several nights, then the need for it left me and I went back
to my regular pillows. See my comments later about the rebounder.
AND MY KNEES! I don’t think I’ve mentioned much about them here. I have
a small tear in the meniscus of my left knee- just of a size and nature
that surgery was questionable. In the past it’s been really bothersome.
My right one I turned a bit backwards a several years ago and it has
really bothered me too. Both had been for the most part under control
by means of other alternatives, but of late they are really strong,
much more than they’ve been with any other of those alternative
therapies.
Some disjointed notes to add:
10-15-03
Using a Needak Rebounder doing only a daily 5-minute ”health bounce”
(feet nor heels leave the mat) has really strengthened my neck, and in
several months now no neck discomfort from using the rebounder. When I
first started doing it, it bothered my neck so much I thought I would
have to stop.
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I still occasionally get a certain twitch- I have solidly identified
when where how it happens. First, it has to be morning shortly after
rising. It doesn't happen after getting loosened up for the day. It
happens when I extend my left arm and bend slightly at the waist,
slightly to the left, to pick up or handle something with my left hand
extended below my waist. As described before, our dishwasher is to the
left of our sink. If I'm reaching like I described to get a clean dish,
the twitch will rise up and smite me. It is over just as fast as it
starts when I straighten
up.
That is just about the only lumbar pain I have had in months. (except
for 11-04-03)
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** When I first posted my results (go way back to the start), Barry
left in the double asterisks, but deleted the old joke they referred
to. I think it gives insight into the nature of my injuries and my
character (?)
Q: What’s the last thing a good-ol-boy says before a ride in an
ambulance?
A: Hey Y’all, watch this!
10-16-03
I am now remembering how apprehensive I was in the beginning about
taking ormus, but how cornered I was with my back. I had been through 3
years and 9 months at that time of continually improving health, almost
constantly discovering alternative methods to cure- not just treat- the
myriad of conditions that haunted me. Every time, I was left with more
energy, and every time, I had used that energy up trying to catch up on
life. But every time, it had always come back to my back problems.
By spring '03, my back was staying in mild pain- right at the threshold
of disability, and by now I had developed the self-preservation
instinct not to do anything that would take me over that edge, but I
knew it loomed large. I could not continue that way; I had to find a
way out.
So there was my motivation: desperation. I think that it takes quite a
bit of bravery to jump off into the ormus world. It does appear that
out of all the alternatives out there, this one is the smallest, least
known, and most intimidating. It seems to me that it takes either a
hardy soul or a foolhardy one to get into this, or just plain
desperation.
11/5/2003
I have wonderful success using the Crock Device as an adjunct to my
healing. My effects have been that I have much less morning grogginess
and much less stiffness and soreness, and tend to eat less, and drink
much less morning coffee and afternoon tea. However the “Law of
Unintended Consequences” has reared its head. Tending to eat less has
caused me to eat less protein, which I have discovered is a mistake for
me. I apparently tend to get not enough ATP because of this, and my
back and leg muscles can grow weak and fatigued as a result. I have
worked on this by increasing my protein intake while watching more
carefully what else I eat. Eating mostly protein gets boring and leads
to constipation. I have am having good results against that by eating
freshly ground flax seed with nuts and coconut. I am also increasing my
use of creatine, but not too much.
So what is “the measure of my success”? Expensive shoes and boots,
that’s what. How So?
When I was at my lowest point, over 4 years ago now, one of the things
that was killing me physically and financially was my need to change
shoes up to 4 times a day because my feet were killing me. I could not
abide cheap shoes. I could only wear Red Wings, Nikes, and Rockports.
Keeping a stable full of them in several different styles was costly.
My feet have not bothered me in a long, long time, but now it has come
full circle. Between Ormus and the Crock Device, I have gotten so much
energy and life back that I am on the go like I was 10 years ago. I
have pushed myself into so much fatigue that my feet crapped out on me
before my back did. I bought several pairs of new shoes of the above
brands and kept going until finally my back gave out on me yesterday.
But this time it was very different. It was only my muscles, not my
spine that gave out. A day of eating high quality protein and taking a
good dose of creatine brought it all back overnight.
These updates will come slower now. I proclaim this endeavor to be a
success.
I have gone over 6 months with very little back pain and no bed days.
That's a 20-year record for me.
Daddybob
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 18:52:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The White Dove & my neck & back
It's been about 13-14 months now since I first started taking The White
Dove and The Elixir of Life (hereafter abbreviated TWD & EoL). For
those new to Ormus, these are made by Don Nance of
www.oceanalchemy.com. TWD is his version of the Essene's "M-3", also
made by others.
For background, my story and log is at ormus.net under reported
effects, back problems by Daddybob.
As of early this year, I had slowed down taking TWD & EoL, for many
reasons, not the least of which was plain old sloth and miserliness. It
seemed I had gotten perhaps all of the benefit I was going to get,
considering that TWD/M-3 is a substance that you are not supposed to
need to take forever. Also, I had been re-dipping the eye dropper I was
using in the bottle too much and I think I contaminated it.
So about February I was beginning to have a little back discomfort. I
re-committed myself to taking however much it takes for as long as it
takes, forever if need be, no matter the cost, because the cost of the
alternative was quite worse.
It had not yet done very much for my neck and I'll admit that was a bit
of a disappointment, but maybe I had not given it enough time, so I
pressed on with taking about a teaspoonful every morning 5-6 days a
week. I quit using the eyedropper.
Lately I had begun to think that there was considerably less
crepitation (noise) in my neck, and that there was more movement
without having taken any large amounts of CMO in several months, and
without drowning myself by drinking so much water. But I couldn't be
sure, because at the same time I had developed quite a lot of pain in
my right shoulder and arm. Those who have experienced healing know that
pain can come with it. This pain was different from my previous
experience with that arm and reminded me of what happened to my back
when I first started taking TWD.
Always before, pain in that arm and shoulder would culminate in
numbness and paralysis of that arm. Always before, drinking lots of
water and doing some loosening exercises would relieve the problem.
This time none of that worked. It started about 3 weeks ago and at its
worst it made driving and using the computer both most unpleasant. As
time has passed, it has receded up my arm to now being almost only in
my shoulder and the intensity has ratcheted down considerably. It's
still tough to ride a bike for long. I am convinced that nothing I have
consciously done has caused this pain to back off; it's just going away
on its own.
Be patient, I'm going somewhere by explaining all of this.
Last August, when Barry Carter came to Dunn NC, I related in my log how
little things were so important in realizing my recovery. At that time,
I loaded Barry's TV in the back seat of Dana Dudley's car. I was HAPPY
to be able to do that. No pain. I've worked physically very hard all my
life and the return of physical strength has been enormously important
to me.
So here's why I relate that TV story again and why I'm writing this now.
My wife and I installed a 20" TV on a wall mount in our bedroom
yesterday. This TV is a larger than normal 20" set because it's a flat
screen with side speakers, all of which makes for a big, heavy unit.
The bottom of the wall mount is 6' off the floor. I lifted the TV 5'
high first onto the top shelf of the stepladder, then climbed the
ladder and transferred it to the wall mount with no problem. That's
after loading it in and out of the car and carrying it around the
house. This may not sound like a big deal to some but it is to a man
who could not have possibly done that a year ago or for the five years
previous!
But that's not even the really exciting part.
After I got it up there and turned it on, I sat almost directly under
it while I began assembling something else. Something came on that
caught my interest and I stopped what I was doing and looked straight
up to watch the program. I think I watched it for 5 minutes before it
hit me that I CAN'T LOOK STRAIGHT UP!!! My neck won't do it!
Ever since then I've been looking straight up at things and running my
mouth about it. It is awesome*.
For a few years now I've had to either back away from something to look
up or turn slightly sideways so I could turn my neck to look up.
Something else has happened that I noticed a few days ago and have
double checked on today. In my log several months ago I mentioned that
my knees were getting stronger. Well that's not all, they're getting
quieter. For years I couldn't sneak up on my kids to catch them at
instant messaging on the computer when they should have been doing
homework. They always heard my knees coming, Snap Crackle Pop! A few
days ago I sneaked up on my youngest daughter and caught her but good.
That's when I first realized it. Today I sneaked up on my wife while
she played Solitaire. Both times the house was quiet. I didn't have to
creep; I walked normally on bare feet. My knees have made a racket for
the last 10 years.
In a few days I will have something to say about TWD and migraines,
particularly opthalmic migraine, and perhaps another medical condition
peculiar to women.
*Another reason I may have backed away from taking enough TWD & EoL
was my enormous respect for it that bordered on awe and fear. Only
those who have experienced enormous pain can understand, and then only
if they have experienced enormous relief and recovery, without drugs
and surgery, which are not true recovery.
I should also mention that I take a little of ormus copper from time to
time. At least some of my new strength is attributable to taking Whey
Protein, but not the neck movement. I'm also very convinced that any
supplements that work at all, work much better with taking M-stuff.
Daddybob
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: daddybob
Subject: The White Dove and Opthalmic Migraine
This is about my daughter Bonnie and her experience with Opthalmic
Migraine and Ormus. Bonnie is 18 and a college freshman in a regional
state university not far from our home. She is not a driven
perfectionist, but she is a concientious high achiever. She is also a
sappy sweetheart and mostly a homebody. She just finished her first
year with a 3.92 GPA. I’m not bragging, it’s just that I once thought
the stress of school, living away from home, and working two part-time
jobs was causing her problems. As I will relate further on, I no longer
think that way.
For those who don't know, Opthalmic (or Visual) Migraine (I will now
abbreviate to O.M.) is a partial blindness that comes on often with no
warning. It is a graying out, not a blacking out of the vision, and it
is partial, not total blindness. Episodes usually last from 10-40
minutes, but hers were almost always a minimum of 40 minutes up to
nearly 50 minutes. It is a neurological problem, not an eye problem.
She had her first episode at 14. It was triggered by MSM eye drops. At
that time I was a near MSM freak, having literally had my life saved by
it. I thought it was good for everything that ailed man or beast, and
there was nearly nothing I wouldn’t try with it. She had some eye
problems one Saturday afternoon, and I gave her these drops to soothe
her eyes (it really can be very soothing like that). Very quickly,
partial blindness set in and I thought I had blinded my daughter. We
were able to get our Optometrist to look at her, but it was over by
then. He did a full exam and found nothing, then told me that this
“sometimes happens to teenage girls”. Since then I’ve learned that it’s
a lot more common than that.
I also now understand why MSM triggered it. MSM is a very powerful
detoxifying agent. I suspect it loosened some allergens and triggered a
vasospasm. O.M. is a result of vasospasm, a spasm of arteries behind
the eye, resulting in blood flow being shut off to the optic nerve.
She never had it again until she was 18 and in her first semester of
college.
Her first episode was while leaving a class near dark, trying to get to
her apartment. Thank God she had a cell phone. The most worrisome thing
about all of this came to be that she might have an episode while
driving.
She began to have these episodes nearly on a weekly schedule, usually
on Thursday evening, and late in the day. It appeared to us to be a
stress reaction from a busy week, dreading any Friday quizzes or
weekend homework assignments, and preparing to come home for the
weekend, which is a change, and all change is stress. I’ll go ahead and
interject here that subsequent events combined with a letter from an
e-buddy on the WGL caused me to drop those notions. I now think, like
he, that migraine in its many forms is an allergic reaction. In her
case, I think it was her moldy apartment building. This person sent me
a long letter of his study of this situation. I will edit that document
to remove all personal references and certain sensitive information,
then I will make it available to those who want it.
I just did not make a connection to using ormus for her to start with.
That is probably because of my previously stated profound awe in
realizing what it had done for me (and continues to do- I CAN LOOK UP
AGAIN!). We tried an herbal preparation tailored for female problems
because we wondered if it was related. It was made of herbs soaked in
Vodka, but she just could not choke it down. I am grateful to the
person who sent it to us, but I must admit to being glad to find out
that she couldn’t drink Vodka:)
So I started to search again, and it was at this time that I spoke with
Don Nance about it, quite by accident. Don had a family member that had
it, and it stopped after using M-3. Don’s White Dove (TWD) is a version
of M-3, and I didn’t waste any time ordering more (we were out) and Don
rushed the order because of the seriousness of the situation.
It’s now been 10 weeks since she started taking it. She thinks that in
that time she has only taken 4 ounces of it, along with some Elixir of
Life, but I think she’s taken 8 ounces of TWD altogether.
She had two episodes in the first two weeks, but it was significant to
us that they were of shorter duration. The second episode ended
abruptly when her sister got her to laugh. Since then, someone else
furnished me with information that the episodes can be stopped by
breathing oxygen. Aviation oxygen was the suggested way of getting
breathing quality oxygen with no scrip. We didn’t have to go that far.
That was now 8 weeks ago. It’s all stopped. 8 weeks does not make a
cure, but she’s finished her last TWD this week, and now continues to
take EoL.
Now to our next project. My wife has uterine fibroid tumor(s). At least
one is getting big enough to be a problem. She has been taking EoL for
a few months now, and has just started taking TWD. She shortly
thereafter had a instance of pain in there. Could be a healing crisis
has begun, but we just don’t know. In an alt. med. newsletter to which
I subscribe, there was recently a mention of Lycopene shrinking fibroid
tumors. This appears to be new info and there’s not much out there
about it. She has begun taking a Lycopene supplement, in the hopes that
it may be fortified or used by the ormus to start reducing her
tumor(s). In addition, we intend to have her use a Beck Device on very
low power for a couple hours a couple of times week. Microcurrent
electricity has been shown to enable blood cells to live much longer in
vitro. I think that was part of the reason for my wonderful results
from it 3 years ago. If the body does not have to use energy making
blood cells, or if more blood cells are alive in the blood stream,
delivering nutrients and ormus to afflicted tissues, it seems to me it
can only be a good thing.
Daddybob
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:32:36 -0400
Subject: Getting taller
After 15 months of taking the White Dove and Elixir of Life, I am from
3/4" to 1" taller than in February '03. I have taken measurements at
different times of day to confirm.
I had shrunk about 1-1/4" by age 48, due to spinal deterioration. Now
at age 50, I am within about 1/4" of my 20 year old height of 5'-8".
However, be aware that stretching out an old body does not happen
without discomfort (OK, pain!); when cartilage renews, it pushes out on
nerves, muscles, ligaments, tendons, etc.
My middle daughter, 18, who is taking it for Opthalmic Migraine (no
episodes now in 3 months) is now almost 1/2" taller than she was in
March '04. In addition, the mild back problems that have been with her
through her teens are now gone. By early this year, her baby sister,
15, had passed her by 1/4"; now baby sister is baby sister again:)
Daddybob
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:44:55 -0400
Questions and Answers
First, my significant other (SO) is my wife of 27 yrs and mother of our
4 children. We have a very traditional Judeo-Christian concept of
marriage and it works very well for us. She would never leave me except
for abuse, and I will never abuse her in my right mind
Q: Will the pursuit of this interfere in the quality of your life? Will
you be able to function normally?
A: I was approaching physical uselessness, with debilitating physical
problems- deteriorated spine. Quality of life and function are WAY UP.
Wife now taking it for other problems.
Q: Are the ORMUS users you have talked with functioning members of
society? Holding down jobs, involved in the community, etc.? That's
particularly important to ask about long-term users.
A: Long term is a relative term, 15 months for me now on strong
substance, 4-6 months for her on weaker substance, 2 weeks on strong
substance. One daughter also taking strong substance for 3 months now.
I'm self-employed, small trade business, 4-8 employees. She works for
the local judicial system. Small town dwellers. We are active in local
church, High School Band Boosters, local juvenile justice system.
Really boring and normal people we are, if anything over-active and
over-committed in the local community. I particularly am much more
involved than I was 1-2 years ago. My relief has allowed more
involvement for her.
Q: On the one hand, I feel that the basic category that these
substances fall into, in terms of taking them internally, is
"nutritional supplements" (although I realize they are not "ordinary"
supplements). At one point, I felt as if our relationship was
(possibly) being more or less put on the line over something like,
"Choose between vitamin C and me."
A: Nutritional supplement is certainly a valid way for me to look at
it, but it sure is way the #%*@ past vitamin C LOL! Or anything else I
ever took, and I took a LOT. Nope, definitely not ordinary.
Q: Would your pursuit of 'the ethereal' lead you into illicit drugs?
A: Most definitely not for me, and has caused me to become very picky
and choosy about the quality of the one drug I do indulge in, alcohol.
The good part of that is that I drink much less. I only drank for pain
relief and to relax; now only to occasionally relax. I always preferred
sobriety and more so now.
I do not pursue the ethereal; I let it pursue me. Having had many
psychic experiences long before ormus, I had in the past pursued it. I
now consider that a broad path to deception. I think using ormus has
led me more firmly to that conclusion. But my intuition works overtime
these days.
Q: Another line area of concern is expressed in the question, "Would
this not be an inauthentic means to obtain spiritual enlightenment ...
from a purely philosophical viewpoint?"
A: I generally agree except for one thing: nothing I have ever done has
brought my (formerly) explosive temper under so much control. It's not
perfect, but it sure is better. I have learned that I can be just as
direct and blunt as I need to be, without anger. Before ormus, I really
and truly coveted that, saw it in others and wanted it, but could not
attain it. My stack would blow. Now it just doesn't anywhere near as
much, and it feels really good.
Daddybob
7/27/2004
Neck update and other results.
Barry, you may add this to my log. When I started this log, I listed 3
conditions in need of healing: Back, neck, and tinnitus. The back got
better from the start, now about16-17 months ago. I am much stronger in
my back now than I ever dared hope for. The neck took a lot longer, and
that's mostly what this post is about, and I still have the tinnitus;
oh well, two out of three ain't bad.
From 7-18 thru 7-23, my wife and I were chaperones at high school
marching band camp. Our camp is held at an old and primitive 4H camp in
central NC. That means no air conditioning. Southerners or anyone who
has lived a southern summer will know what that means: it means you
stay sticky or dripping wet 24 hours a day and in constant danger of
overheating. We've been taking from one to four of our kids to some
kind of camp for 20 years now, and have often been chaperones. During
that time, these summer camp experiences have become benchmarks for
both my physical decline from 1994 through 1999, and my recoveries
since 1999. From '94 to '99, summer camps were becoming an increasingly
depressing experience for me as I could tell just how much of my
strength was ebbing away. The worst was Girl Scout Family Camp in '96,
when I was wrapped up in 3 braces, spent most of my time in a cabin
reading a book and hobbled to meals on a cane, and generally was a drag
on my family.
What can I say to express the difference now? I won't try to bore
anyone with all the details, but to say I'm a new man just seems too
simple. The physical end of this summer's camp experience was much more
like I was 35 again. It was an absolute joy to be able to work like
that again, and to deprive myself of sleep to be sure the boys stayed
in their cabins at night.
For several weeks now I have been rapidly regaining range of motion in
my neck. It was obvious while driving locally that I could turn my neck
to see things at odd-angle intersections instead of depending on my
mirrors as much as I had been. That's why the camp experience is
relevant to this. I had to drive our big van and pull a 20' trailer to
the camp, then thread that rig through paths that were originally built
to accommodate nothing larger than the pickup trucks of the late 40's.
This made for a lot of neck craning, and jumping in and out of a
¾ ton Ford van. That van is high off the ground, I'm stocky, and
I have to contort myself to get in and out of it, let alone having to
jump out on very uneven terrain and tree roots. I did it all, twice,
once coming and once going. Man it was fun! It was wonderful! If you've
never been to the edge of life/death and then returned, you just can't
understand how someone can have so much enjoyment out of such mundane
things, even hard-to-do things, and call it fun.
Meanwhile back at home, it's been one of the hottest, most humid
summers we've had in years. In temperate weather I try to ride my bike
and take my dog for a run every evening. It's good for the dog and not
half bad for me. Well, it's been way too hot for the dog, at least
that's a good excuse. I went for a month without doing it until we had
a little break in the heat. When I did go out, about a week ago,
it turned out to be the ultimate test for my neck. While riding uphill
to a certain intersection, not wanting to stop so the bugs couldn't
catch me, I had to keep pedaling, turn the bike, and turn my neck in
all directions to watch for cars and the dog. Now this is nothing
extraordinary for most people, but since I hadn't done it in a month,
it really showed me what my neck can now do. I was amazed. It was fun!
Bugs, sweat, heat, humidity, bike, cars, dog and all.
In testing my neck range of motion while in the quiet of my home, the
sounds of crepitation are nearly gone--there's just a little squishy
sound, and it' s nothing like the noise my neck made 10 years ago. I
can only hear these noises now when in the quiet; for the last several
years I could hear noises even while driving with my window down.
I now seem to have regained the full range of motion that I should have
in my neck. Several weeks ago I posted that I could look up again, now
my full side-to-side motion is back, or at least I have normal neck
motion for a 50 year old. How do I know how much neck motion a 50 year
old should have, I've never been 50 before. But I have been 45, and
this is a heap more than I had then. I think this is pretty awesome for
a guy who's been told by a neurosurgeon that he needs a double cervical
diskectomy and may be a quadriplegic from a minor traffic accident. (I
think I've mentioned before that in my opinion the loss of neck
movement from that surgery would almost guarantee that I would not see
a car about to hit me from the side and that I might pull out in front
of someone- Risk Homeostasis!)
I still can't snap my neck around like a teenager, but I'm a heap
better off than a lot of people I see of my age.
I am fond of saying that The White Dove will go to work where it
decides, not where you decide. I'm still aiming for my tinnitus, but it
has decided that something else is next- my jaws, especially the right
one. Years ago I knew that the arthritis and wear in my jaws was
getting serious, but it was one of the least of my worries--as my bride
recently said, you don't worry too much about your jaws when you're
worried about being able to walk.
About a month ago, my jaws popped one day very strongly and oddly like
nothing I had ever felt before. I thought of how odd it was then, but I
was really busy and put it aside in my mind. Within a few days both of
my jaws were sore and hurting in a way that I had never experienced.
The right one was much worse. I racked my brain for what I might have
done or be doing to cause this. Since the discomfort was worse when
waking, I decided it had to do with my sleeping positions. Nope, wrong
for the most part, although changing my pillows around did help a
little. I finally realized that this was a lot like my very first
healing experience with The White Dove. I just now started to
abbreviate it as TWD like I have often in the past. I just couldn't do
it. I've developed too much respect for it. Anyway, when I first
started taking it, my back shifted and hurt in a way one day that I had
never felt. This is like that. It's now so much better that it's not
really bothering me too much. The left side has stopped hurting
altogether. I can now chew tough foods with no jaw popping like I've
had for years.
I'm waiting to see what happens next, hoping to all of a sudden realize
that I can hear without this whine in my head (no, it's not the nada.)
Remember, if you're new to any alternative healing and you're reading
this for the first time: real healing hurts but it is so worth it.
Daddybob